196: The Simple Math Behind 6-Figure Facebook Ads
Ever catch yourself wondering if your digital products are ready for Facebook ads? Or maybe you're like me, knowing you should start but feeling a bit nervous about getting it wrong?
This week's episode takes the mystery out of Facebook advertising. My guest breaks down exactly how to know when your business is ready for ads (hint: it's not about how long you've been in business), and shares a really practical framework for testing ads without burning through your budget.
You'll learn:
A simple calculation to know if your offers are profitable enough for ads
How to turn a "tripwire" funnel into a Facebook ads money-maker
The Olympic Gold Medal testing framework that's helped reduce ad costs by up to 60%
The costly targeting mistakes most course creators make (and how to avoid them)
If you've been waiting for the "right time" to start with Facebook ads, this episode is your sign to take action. No fluff, no complicated jargon - just clear, actionable strategies you can use right away.
PS: My favorite takeaway? Learning that I've probably waited too long to start with ads.
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Timestamps:
4:34 - How to know when your business is ready to start running paid ads
11:07 - Making tripwire (welcome offer) funnels profitable with Facebook ads
19:42 - Detailed breakdown of the Olympic Gold Medal testing framework
24:33 - Common Facebook ads mistakes and how to avoid them
28:03 - Free resource: Tutorial on the 7 biggest Facebook ad mistakes
Are You Ready for Facebook Ads? A Strategic Guide for Digital Product Creators
As digital product creators, we often hear that Facebook ads are the key to scaling our businesses. But knowing when and how to start can feel overwhelming. In my recent conversation with Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie, a Meta ads expert who specializes in helping course creators, we dove deep into the strategy behind successful Facebook ad campaigns. His journey from teaching Mandarin in China to becoming a sought-after ads strategist offers unique insights into what really works when it comes to paid advertising.
The Truth About When Your Business is Ready for Ads
One of the most common questions I hear is, "When should I start running Facebook ads?" According to Kwadwo, it's not about how long you've been in business - it's about whether your products are already generating profit. As he candidly puts it, "Jesus saves, Facebook ads do not. It's not a game of more eyeballs on a bad product means profit."
To determine if you're ready, start by calculating your earnings per lead. Here's a simple formula: Take your total revenue from a launch or promotion and divide it by the number of leads it took to generate those sales. For example, if you made $100,000 from 500 leads, that's $200 per lead. This means you could potentially spend $50 to acquire each lead through Facebook ads and still maintain a healthy profit margin of $150 per lead.
Making Welcome Offers Work with Paid Traffic
While many of us have successful "tripwire" funnels (which Kwadwo prefers to call "welcome offers"), running ads to these funnels requires a strategic approach. These typically consist of a low-ticket offer ($27-$47), an order bump ($17-$27), and an upsell ($197-$397). The key metrics to aim for:
15-20% of buyers should take the order bump
5-10% should purchase the upsell
Instead of just using these as post-opt-in offers, Kwadwo suggests testing them as direct offer funnels. This means running ads straight to the initial offer rather than to a lead magnet. The benefit? You can start priming potential customers for the purchase before they even click through to your sales page.
The Olympic Gold Medal Testing Framework
Perhaps the most valuable insight Kwadwo shared was his systematic approach to testing Facebook ads, which he calls the Olympic Gold Medal Testing Framework. This methodology has helped his clients reduce lead costs by 30-60%. Here's how it works:
Start with Ad Copy Testing
Keep visuals and headlines constant
Test 3 different versions of ad copy
Let them run for several days to determine a winner
Visual Testing
Use the winning ad copy
Test different images, graphics, and video formats
Look for 1-2 clear winners
Final Optimization
Test different headlines with your winning combinations
Experiment with various audience targeting options
Use lookalike audiences based on your email list (minimum 600 contacts)
Avoiding Common Facebook Ad Mistakes
"A lot of us miss out on opportunity because it's dressed in overalls and it looks like work," Kwadwo reminds us. Some of the biggest mistakes he sees digital product creators make include:
Not reading the right metrics to know when to scale up or pause campaigns
Poor targeting choices, especially regarding geographic locations
Not properly defining age ranges for target audiences
Starting too late when their product is already proven profitable
The key is to start with good research into your targeting or use lookalike audiences based on your existing email list (assuming it's responsive).
Taking Action: Your Next Steps
If you're considering Facebook ads for your digital product business, here's what you should do next:
Calculate your current earnings per lead using the formula shared above
Review your existing funnels and their conversion rates
Build your email list to at least 600 contacts for effective lookalike audiences
Start with lead magnet campaigns before moving to direct offer funnels
Follow the testing framework to optimize your campaigns systematically
Remember, the goal isn't just to get more eyeballs on your offer - it's to profitably reach the right people who need what you have to offer. As Kwadwo points out, waiting too long to start with ads could be just as much of a mistake as starting too soon with the wrong foundation.
Are you ready to take the next step with Facebook ads in your business? Start by analyzing your current numbers and setting up proper tracking. The key to success isn't just in launching the ads - it's in having a systematic approach to testing and optimization that leads to sustainable growth.
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Transcript:
00:00:07 Dr. Destini Copp
Welcome to the Creator's MBA Podcast, your go to resource for mastering the art and science of digital product entrepreneurship. My name is Dr. Destini Copp and I help business owners generate consistent revenue from their digital product business without the need to be glued to their desks, constantly live launching or worrying about the social media algorithms.
00:00:31 Dr. Destini Copp
I hope you enjoy our episode today. My special guest today is Kwadwo. Kwadwo is an ads manager and strategy partner.
00:00:43 Dr. Destini Copp
He's the host of the Art of Online Business podcast with 849 episodes and 4.92 million downloads, and a meta ads manager and online business strategist who specializes in serving established online course creators. But I just want to go into a little bit more detail. Unlike most ad managers, he doesn't just bring in quality leads.
00:01:10 Dr. Destini Copp
He has over three years of experience and excels in optimizing funnels and providing marketing, sales, operations and hiring guidance. So, Kwadwo, I am super excited to dive into all of this with you. We chatted earlier this week because I'm on your podcast and I told you that in 2025, one of my goals for all three of my brands is to start using paid ads.
00:01:40 Dr. Destini Copp
So that's going to be something else that we're adding into our growth flywheel. I'm super excited about it, so I have a ton of questions for you. But before we get into all of that, can you tell the good audience just a little bit more about you and how you help people?
00:01:56 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
Well, about me. Imagine way back in 2018, I'm in Beijing, China. Now, why am I there?
00:02:06 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
Because I lived there for 12 years and I absolutely love learning foreign languages. And I'm sitting in a cafe in the capital, overlooking a shopping strip with my wife and these two Russian girls next to me. Notice that I'm that guy.
00:02:20 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
What guy? I'll tell you in a second. And they come over and they want to take selfies with me.
00:02:25 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
Burns out the reason. One of the reasons I love helping people run ads the right way and profitably to their offers, their programs, their memberships, their digital products is because I did it the wrong way. In my previous business.
00:02:39 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
Back in China, I had a business teaching folks how to learn Mandarin Chinese and I ran ads just by mostly boosting successful Instagram posts. And you know what? It got me recognized on the streets, so to speak.
00:02:55 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
Conservatively. Like, I call myself the Hollywood B lister of Chinese. Back then, like maybe three out of four people who were not Chinese would recognize me.
00:03:04 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
But you know what? It didn't fill up my courses with People that I could serve. And so having got stuck outside of a China on an unfortunately timed vacation to Mexico on January 13, 2020, right before the you know what broke out with my wife and my two kids, a three month old, a nine month old and a three year old, I had to pivot that previous business failed.
00:03:29 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
And then I ended up pivoting into coaching online course creators and helping them with their ads. And so that is a bit about me.
00:03:40 Dr. Destini Copp
So they recognized you from a boosted post that you had done on Instagram. That is awesome. Such a great story there.
00:03:50 Dr. Destini Copp
And I love kind of your passion, if you would, about learning other languages, getting to know other cultures. So that's a fun story there too. So.
00:03:59 Dr. Destini Copp
So I'm going to jump right in. I have a ton of questions for you and I know our audience is super interested in learning more about the possibility of doing Facebook and maybe even Instagram ads for their offers and lead generation and converting them into their paid offers. But walk us through.
00:04:22 Dr. Destini Copp
If we are, let's say we have like an online course or a membership, when would you say we were ready to start running paid ads in our business?
00:04:34 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
That's a good question. The straightforward answer is it's not related to how long we've been in business. Running paid traffic is related to whether or not there's already profit associated with whatever digital product we're selling.
00:04:50 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
Like, I love to say, like, Jesus saves Facebook ads. Do not. It's not a game of more eyeballs on a bad product means profit.
00:04:58 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
And so the next question that people usually ask me is, how do we calculate profit? And here, here's an easy way. If you're selling a product via email because you're emailing your list every month, or if you're doing it from Instagram stories, or if you launch every once in a while, every quarter, the thing we're going for here is how many leads, how many eyeballs, so to speak, did you have to get on that product in order to sell it?
00:05:25 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
So I like to talk about launches because they're easy to conceptualize. I brought in 500 leads registered for that launch. I sold a certain amount of money, let's call it $100,000.
00:05:37 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
All I have to do is simply pull open my calculator on my phone and say $100,000. All right? Divided by 500 leads.
00:05:46 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
And now I have a earnings per lead of $200 per lead that registered. Okay. So from there I'm just going to say in this perfect world where everything goes right, that I can Bring in leads for the launch and I know they're going to be worth $200.
00:06:03 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
That tells me, because the profit is huge there, that I can run Facebook and Instagram ads. And if I, even if I have to pay an absurdly high price per lead of say $50, I'm still profiting $150 per lead. I mean, would you, if you had that kind of equation, would you turn on ads?
00:06:24 Dr. Destini Copp
Well, yes, for that I would happily pay $50 to make.
00:06:30 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
All day long. And I know that's a very rosy example, but I do have clients right now that have those kind of margins. Now for the, let's say, average digital product, maybe we're dealing with something slimmer.
00:06:46 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
Like I'm paying $3 per lead because there's a cost for Facebook ads, leads, and I know that I can make $15 per lead. So I just want to make sure that I am profiting and then I have to make sure that my messaging is good. But of course, if the product is already selling, then I know that my messaging is resonating somehow.
00:07:07 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
And that's the kind of perspective that you want to take to starting Facebook ads. However you sell, is there a profit in what you're selling and is there a profit per lead or per person that you have to show it to? Or let's say you're posting on Instagram and selling directly in the DMs.
00:07:24 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
Back up the money that you're making to how many DM conversations you had to have to how many Instagram posts you had to post in your stories to get those number of dms. And that you can come back to an earnings per lead, a cost per lead. And in play in that gap between cost per lead at the bottom and earnings per lead at the top.
00:07:44 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
Here I am waving my hands around on screen, but you can't see me. But that's how we do it.
00:07:49 Dr. Destini Copp
And so as you were thinking that or walking us through that, I was thinking, so like my newsletter, Profit Club, people who are listening, they might be familiar with this is a membership that I have. It's a low cost membership. So it's not, you know, there's not a huge profit margin there.
00:08:05 Dr. Destini Copp
So it's only $19 a month or 57. What are you seeing in terms of cost per lead? I know there's different niches out there, but I'm just curious, could I make it work for something like that?
00:08:21 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
Absolutely. Yes, you can. The trick here though is.
00:08:26 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
So you asked for cost per lead. It does depend on the niche, and it does depend. There's so many different ones, however, usually when I run ads for a client, like, I'm not really happy until I'm under $4 per lead.
00:08:39 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
Depending on the niche, we can get as low as like $1.50 and even floating right around a dollar. You brought up a good point with something like a membership where it's $19 a month. The strategy here is to also know how long somebody stays in that membership on average, and to be doing things in that membership to increase the length of time that somebody will on average stay in the membership and then also reduce what we call the churn rate, which is the percentage of people that don't renew from month to month.
00:09:12 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
Because what happens with memberships is they are a bit harder to sell. We see the value, but somebody else who is joining might just see their card getting charged over and over again. However, as long as we look at how long somebody stays, something called their lifetime value just for the membership, then we can calculate that maybe we lose a little bit of money to bring somebody into the membership.
00:09:39 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
But as long as, like, we're profitable, hopefully we could be profitable that first month, but as long as we're profitable that second or third month, but we know that people stay in the membership for six months on average, then we can run that kind of ads game too. And there's other strategies that I'm sure you're aware of to help. Like if we're bringing somebody into a membership, like, what can we do as far as maybe an order bump that's there?
00:10:04 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
What can we do as far as offering somebody a discount to upgrade right away to annual? Like they join for the monthly rate, but then within that first two weeks they get a surprise. If you upgrade to annual, you get two months off right there.
00:10:18 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
And that helps us bring in more cash upfront and make the membership equation work better too. So many strategies.
00:10:25 Dr. Destini Copp
Yeah. And I love that you added that lifetime value calculation in there because I think that's very important. So I'm going to throw something else at you.
00:10:34 Dr. Destini Copp
So a lot of people listening here, they might have what we call like a tripwire type funnel, where somebody comes in, like from a free lead magnet, they have the tripwire with the order bump and maybe even some upsells. Tell us a little bit about your strategy and recommend recommendation there. Do you think people can make those type of funnels profitable or do they need other offers on the back end to make up the cost of bringing somebody in through a funnel like that?
00:11:07 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
Okay. So those funnels are wonderful. They're also the hardest type of Facebook ad to pull off.
00:11:14 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
However, there's this quote by Thomas Edison, I believe, and it says that a lot of us miss out on opportunity because it's dressed in overalls and it looks like work. And here's the thing with what I would call a self liquidating offer funnel or direct to low ticket offer funnel, these are your typical. You're sending ads to a $27, 37, $47 product, digital product, right?
00:11:43 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
And then on that checkout page is an order bump that could be 17, $27, right? And then on the next page, once somebody processes their payment information, there's this. Before you go, or wait a moment.
00:11:59 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
Hey, do you need this thing? There's an upsell and the upsells can range, you know, on the very low end, maybe 20ish dollars. Like that's a very low end upsell.
00:12:09 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
Usually you see upsells that are somewhere around the 197, 297, 397 range. With a funnel like this that's built on products that are already selling, I. E.
00:12:22 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
The creator, the listener knows who they serve. They have identified a problem that people are paying for and they've several problems, right? Because if you're going to run ads directly to a product, you should have an order bump and an upsell.
00:12:35 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
Those are wonderful because they allow you to profit. Maybe your order bump. The stats are that like 15% to 20% of people that buy the first product should buy the order bump, and then another 5 to 10% of those people will go on to buy the upsell.
00:12:52 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
And so by having those aligned and serving the kind of audience that you serve, well, then you can profit and increase something that's called your average order value. And then the name of the game there is just making sure that my average order value is higher than my average cost per sale if I'm running Facebook ads. Did I answer your question?
00:13:16 Dr. Destini Copp
No, you absolutely did answer my question. You actually motivated me because I have several of these, like Tripwire funnels. I'm like, I should be doing that.
00:13:26 Dr. Destini Copp
Why am I not doing that? I've been doing all of this organically. And to your point, you were talking about some of the numbers.
00:13:33 Dr. Destini Copp
I'm like, well, my order bumps converting at 30%. I know my upsells converting at 20%. I'm like, I have the numbers there in the.
00:13:40 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
Let's go. Yeah, we should have a talk after this. You asked me a question, though, about Tripwire, and I Did forget to address that directly.
00:13:48 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
Tripwire would be a offer. We say the word tripwire and I get hung up on that because it's like, are we trying to booby trap somebody or like trip them up? Like, so I started calling them welcome offers, you know, but either way, I.
00:14:00 Dr. Destini Copp
Actually like that much better. I just use tripwire because that's what everybody in the industry uses. But I want to start using welcome offer.
00:14:08 Dr. Destini Copp
That's awesome.
00:14:09 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
It's okay. I use a tripwire terminology still. But.
00:14:12 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
So this would be that. That low ticket offer that's on the thank you page of a lead magnet. And here's the thing.
00:14:21 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
Tripwires or a low ticket offer set up in a way that it's offered as a thing on the thank you page of a lead magnet. Those conversions are usually lower. Like maybe 2% of folks who opt in for the free lead magnet will get the tripwire.
00:14:37 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
Now that's okay. Tripwires can help us recoup or get back some of our ad spend. Like maybe if we had $3 cost per leads, like with a good tripwire, we could make back 30% of that, you know, because the tripwire should have an order bump and an upsell on the back of that.
00:14:54 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
And then we can bring our lead cost, I don't know, down from $3 to whatever 30% of $3 is at $0.60 off, $2.40. Ooh. Do you like that math?
00:15:04 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
It's almost seems like I have a math genius. I'm not, but. But I would encourage the listener who has a tripwire offer to at least test that offer as an SLO funnel or running ads directly to that low ticket offer just to see if it works.
00:15:25 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
Because you can take a functioning self liquidating offer, you know, a $27 product. Like, I have a client right now. She's in the copywriting niche.
00:15:33 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
So she has templates that sell for $37 and then subject lines that sell as an order bump for $27. And then she, Destiny has a membership. That's the upsell memberships can sell, but they're harder to sell in these self liquidating offer funnels.
00:15:51 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
So usually we put them on the back end and then somebody to get there has already bought something. Right. Her membership costs like $197 a month.
00:15:59 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
But then for the upsell, she gives a one time not found anywhere else quarter discount. So for three months, you get it for 197, which is a huge discount. Like for.
00:16:10 Dr. Destini Copp
That is a huge discount. Yes, for sure.
00:16:12 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
And so we run ads effectively and profitably. To that, my point was if you to take that same funnel and put it as a tripwire, it might not work as well. Probably wouldn't.
00:16:23 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
Just because people are coming to a lead magnet for something for free and then they're not in the same mindset when they hit that thank you page to just go and buy. So I would say to the listener, if you already have a tripwire, offer a welcome offer on the thank you page of a lead magnet and it has an order bump and an upsell, go ahead and try. As long as you have the available funds.
00:16:47 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
Test some messaging, but run ads directly to it and see if it can be profitable for you. There might be like a beautifully functioning funnel just right there that's going to change the trajectory of your business and you never know. If you try and fail, that's okay.
00:17:01 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
The road to success is paved with failure.
00:17:04 Dr. Destini Copp
And I like what you're suggesting there because in the Facebook ad company you can go ahead and start kind of priming them up right for that offer before they even click to go to the sales page. So I think that's some good feedback. Now you have this special formula to lower Facebook ad costs.
00:17:23 Dr. Destini Copp
Can you tell us a little bit more about that?
00:17:25 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
Sure, I absolutely can. It's just my Olympic gold medal testing framework and I totally forgot to share the context. But when I got stuck outside of china, I spent geez 2 ish 2 and a half ish years coaching in a high level mastermind slash coaching program for online course creators.
00:17:45 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
So that's like where I first learned all of the funnel stuff that I'm just trying to cram into this really short podcast episode. But I spent time coaching them and then consulting them because I had online course experience. And so I've just seen so many funnels like the it's like behind the scenes pass to businesses that are like earning high six figures, low seven figures and so and then the rest is just experience of running ads for that same kind of client.
00:18:12 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
You know, I used to have a job way back in the day inside of an ad agency. So I've seen a lot of things that work and don't work. Now the testing framework, the Olympic gold medal testing framework is like what you can take, anyone can take, and if you apply it, you can expect to cut your lead costs by, you know, 30%, 40%.
00:18:34 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
I've even had some students, because I teach this in a paid program, cut their lead costs by like up to 60%. And the beauty of it is, is it's nothing like mystical. It's nothing sexy.
00:18:44 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
It's just testing. So envision the Olympics that we just had. Uh, I'm thinking of the track and field event.
00:18:51 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
There were two men competing, one from the US and one from Jamaica for the fastest man in the world. And then think about these track, these athletics or track and field heats, right? Like you have eight folks, could be eight women, could be eight men, but they are going to race in a heat, and to oversimplify it, the two fastest move on to the next heat and then the semifinals and then the finals where there's eight folks running.
00:19:14 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
So if we apply the same methodology to ads, what we can hope and expect to get, if we are faithful to do the testing, we can expect to that after we pit the ads and the various components of the ads together and let the best rise to the top, that at the end we have like two or three ads that are giving us the lowest cost per lead. So would you like to know the stages of the testing?
00:19:39 Dr. Destini Copp
Absolutely. Run it. Run them through us.
00:19:42 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
All right. How I always start is Ad Copy. And all that is is the written word inside of the ad.
00:19:49 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
And so I keep everything else the same. The visuals the same. The bold what I call headline that shows up next to that blue call to action.
00:19:58 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
Learn more. That's the same, but I differ. The ad copy.
00:20:01 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
So three versions of ad copy, all of them have the same image and the same headline. Now, after I run those for a handful of days, then I know which ad copy is performing the best. Now, I'm talking about testing in a low stakes environment.
00:20:17 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
So test with your lead magnet first, please. If you, if you're a beginner listening to this episode, this is a lot easier to do with a lead magnet. If you, you can do it with.
00:20:29 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
If you're running like a sales campaign trying to sell something. But you have to be very quick and know how to read the signs because you don't want to burn through money and not make sales day after day after day while you're testing with a lead magnet. There's less at stake if I take too long or I can't quite understand the right signs to determine if my ad is performing well.
00:20:47 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
Well, then my lead cost is just a little higher, but I'm still getting leads and I can nurture them later on. So back to the testing framework. Start with ad Copy.
00:20:56 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
After a handful of days, you know which ad copy is performing the best. Great. I have a winner in my first heat of this Olympic gold medal testing framework.
00:21:06 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
Now, I take that winning ad copy and then I say the next heat is going to be where all the visuals will compete against each other. So I'll keep that ad copy with the winning visual that it already was with, but I'll copy it, duplicate it, if you will, and take that same ad copy and pair it with another image or another graphic or another vertical video, AKA Instagram or Facebook reel. And then I'll wait and I'll see out of the next stage which of those rises to the top.
00:21:40 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
Maybe I'll have two. Like, maybe a graphic plus the ad copy will win and a real plus the ad copy will win and their cost per lead will be decently low. Now I go to stage three and I take those two winners, if you will, and I test different headlines.
00:21:58 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
Headlines would be that bold text that shows up to the left of the blue call to action button. Usually learn more, could be download, could be book a call or book now. Or I could even test different targeting.
00:22:12 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
Maybe up till now all I did was upload my email list, as long as it's 600 people or more, to Facebook and say, please give me a bigger audience that shares a lot of similarities with this email list. That would be called a lookalike audience in meta ad manager terminal terminology. And meta said, great, you gave us a thousand people.
00:22:32 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
Well, we're going to give you 2.5 million people that share most of the similar attributes with them. So maybe I was using that kind of audience all along, which is a good audience to start with. But now I'm going to try to test some different ones.
00:22:45 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
Maybe I'll test a lookalike of my Instagram followers. Maybe I have a blog with a significant readership on my website. I'm going to try to test a lookalike of the people who have visited my website in the past 180 days.
00:22:59 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
And that is the framework. If we make it through testing the ad copy to get the best one and testing the visuals to get the best several, and then testing maybe different audience targeting to see where our winners are producing the lowest cost per lead, we're going to end up saving a significant amount of money because our lead cost comes down. And then we know confidently that if our lead cost is much lower and we've spent time researching the audience that we're meant to serve with our passions and our skills and our gifts, such that the ad copy is good and it's resonating with the right people and bringing them in as a lead, then we're confident that we can continue to scale those ads higher and then nurture those leads with our lead magnet email sequence.
00:23:46 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
Maybe sell something off the back of that or know that we are creating a very warm audience that is ready and wants whatever we have to serve them with during our next and upcoming launch. How are we doing?
00:23:59 Dr. Destini Copp
I love it. So I love how you started with the ad copy, kind of got that working, then move to the images or reels or, you know, whatever you were doing there, and then moved to the audiences and Facebook. I like how you laid that out for us.
00:24:16 Dr. Destini Copp
So let me ask you this, and I know that we are getting close to our time here. What mistakes do you see people like me making with our ads when we're just kind of starting out here or maybe we're trying to do a launch? What are you seeing out there?
00:24:33 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
Well, I mean, who are people like you? Break that down for me really quick.
00:24:37 Dr. Destini Copp
Well, somebody who hasn't been doing ads but really wants to start dipping their toes in it and is a little scared, quite frankly.
00:24:45 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
Okay, all right. Well, if your product is profitable, then that is a mistake of just starting too late. But let's dive into some of these mistakes that we can see inside of Ad Manager.
00:25:01 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
Unfortunately, Meta Ad Manager is like a minefield of mistakes waiting to happen because there's a bunch of things to toggle on, toggle off, a bunch of options, plus they're making you suggestions. I'll tell you one mistake that I do see though, is not reading the right metrics. And so not knowing when your ads are performing well and to scale them up.
00:25:25 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
And also not knowing when they're performing like poorly and to stop spending on ads and then go back to the drawing board and redo your ad copy. That's one mistake that I see often. Here's another mistake that's very easy.
00:25:40 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
It's a lack of good targeting because I do one on one, like Meta Ads coaching, right? And I looked into an account of a client, a brand new client. He and his wife were a team and they had a launch coming up.
00:25:54 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
And this, it didn't just happen to these two. I saw their ads really cheap, cost per leads. We're talking like below a dollar.
00:26:03 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
And instantly my red flag goes up and says, how can they be so cheap? Something's wrong here. Well, I start poking around and what happened was, is he had subscribed to this, thought of maybe a wide open target audience or broad targeting, but what he had done is he didn't choose a country to show his ads to and so Meta, being meta and just looking for cheap leads, was showing his ads to people in like Afghanistan and India and Sri Lanka and you know, and like I lived in China for 12 years and the majority of foreign students are like from Southeast Asia, the Middle East, East, North Africa region.
00:26:47 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
Wonderful people. And I always say that because it seems like when we say don't target, countries from there were like, don't target because like they're less than. No, but what happens is, is if you're targeting ads for a launch to any country, usually your ads are being shown to somebody who maybe in a year or two or year or half a year of their income, like they can afford to buy your program.
00:27:14 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
It just doesn't make sense, dollar for dollar or whatever currency they're earning in. And so this was one mistake is not targeting the right country that you know your clients come from. Not choosing the age.
00:27:26 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
Like Meta will let you have a wide age range, but why not pick the age based on like a survey of your. We could go into more mistakes, but that's an easy one to avoid. If you do good research into your targeting or use what I had talked about a moment ago, a lookalike audience of people who are already on your email list.
00:27:44 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
Provided your email list is responsive, that's a better way to start off your ads.
00:27:49 Dr. Destini Copp
So Cuidro, thank you so much for joining us today and sharing all of your wonderful knowledge with us.
00:27:56 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
You're welcome.
00:27:56 Dr. Destini Copp
You let the folks know where they can find you and also you have a free gift for them.
00:28:03 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
Sure. So I am the host of the Art of Online Business podcast where we interview gifted and talented individuals like yourself who serve the online course creator niches. And then I also share tips and tricks and strategies and behind the scenes peaks at Facebook ads.
00:28:21 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
If you're listening right now and you have a business, let's say that's making mid four figures a month and you would love to be making high six figure years. I'm continually bringing on experts. We're talking about messaging strategists, copywriters.
00:28:35 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
Right. Like folks who know what they're talking about, have a proven track record and you can glean the wisdom and advice that they're sharing, including yours, Destiny. I had a great time my wife and I recording with you and so this is that podcast and you can find me at the Art of Online Business on Apple Podcast or YouTube.
00:28:54 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
Also, if you're wondering should I run ads right now or should I hire an ads manager right now, why don't you just say hi to me on Instagram, slide into my DMs. I'll listen to what's going on with your business and I'll give you straightforward advice like it might be time for you to run ads. Maybe it was time for you to run ads three months ago.
00:29:17 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
Maybe it makes sense to hire an ad manager. Or maybe you can run your own ads and I'll just teach you how to do it. But we can have that conversation.
00:29:24 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
It's been an honor being here.
00:29:26 Dr. Destini Copp
Yeah. Definitely reach out and let you know. Just ask the questions.
00:29:31 Dr. Destini Copp
Don't be like me and wait too long because I feel like I've waited way too long to get started there. And check out Kwadwo's free gift. It is the Seven biggest Facebook ad mistakes course creators make that burn through money and kill results.
00:29:49 Dr. Destini Copp
And I'm going to put the link for that free gift in our show notes here, so make sure that you grab that also before you go away, please.
00:29:58 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
How did I forget to mention that? But yeah, I do coach folks one on one and I see the same mistakes over and over and over again. So I made a tutorial.
00:30:07 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
And it's not just like fluff seven items on a PDF. This is me doing a screen share inside of ad manager, pointing out the mistakes and providing the solution right there. So anyone watching who's running their own ads can just apply the knowledge and save money.
00:30:24 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
Because these mistakes, oh, they, they bite. They, they take your money. So I'm happy for you to download that.
00:30:29 Dr. Destini Copp
Yeah, as you were going through the mistakes and talking through them just a second ago, I'm like, I could see people making those, I could see some of those mistakes. So I'm going to definitely check that out. And thank you so much for joining me.
00:30:42 Dr. Destini Copp
I love chatting with you and getting to know you and your business better.
00:30:47 Kwadwo Sampany-Kessie
It's been an honor being here, Dr. Destini.
00:30:52 Dr. Destini Copp
Thanks for listening all the way to the end. I hope you enjoyed this episode today. If you love the show, I'd appreciate a review on Apple Podcasts or your favorite podcast platform.
00:31:03 Dr. Destini Copp
Have a great rest of your day and bye for now.